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Kristina Burns
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« on: March 16, 2009, 10:39:31 AM »

Can we blame the recent financial instability on inappropriate architecture and mismanagement of the international economy, or was domestic financial regulation also at fault?
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Prof Janette Rutterford
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 09:02:10 AM »

Part of the blame is due to the nature of management in banks.  Senior executives concentrated on shareholder value, attempting, for example, to maximise return on equity, but did not fully understand the complex products which were being used to achieve this.  Board meetings do not usually include lectures on understanding derivatives.  They should.

As a result, departmental managers, whose bonuses depended on trading profits, were allowed to dictate trading strategy.  By ticking the boxes of risk management, they were able to convince boards that they fully understood and controlled risk. 

The debate is centring on executive pay being changed to allow a three year period before bonuses can be paid.  First, some of these products take longer than three years to become toxic.  Second, traders will still be tempted to go off message if they are on bonuses.  Third, only when downside risk - no pension, no payoff - equals upside potential will managers and traders truly change their behaviour.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2009, 01:47:55 PM »


The debate is centring on executive pay being changed to allow a three year period before bonuses can be paid.  First, some of these products take longer than three years to become toxic.  Second, traders will still be tempted to go off message if they are on bonuses.  Third, only when downside risk - no pension, no payoff - equals upside potential will managers and traders truly change their behaviour.

Do these people actually need bonuses?


Peter (who doesn't get a bonus whatever happens).
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 09:48:03 AM »

I think we can blame the recent financial instability  on lack of regulation, and most importantly on a lack of attention to sustainability. I also think that the view that it's a global issue is actually shirking responsibility.

For many years now it's been clear, I think, that house prices were completely out of sync with average salaries, I also felt that it was dangerous to have alliances between  banks and estate agents determining house prices as it were. In the interests of sustainability these activities and alliances should have been regulated many, many years ago, and a domestic inititive should have been taken to regulate this irrespective of what was happening globally. Essentials such as houses, a basic human need should never have been allowed to be the centre of financial games or capital frolics.

What lessons can we learn ?  Well I think we need to pay close attention to sustainability issues regarding all essential and basic human needs, and put regulation in place at a very early stage, so that all basic human needs are always affordable to all people.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2009, 09:11:08 PM »

Part of the blame is due to the nature of management in banks.  Senior executives concentrated on shareholder value, attempting, for example, to maximise return on equity, but did not fully understand the complex products which were being used to achieve this.  Board meetings do not usually include lectures on understanding derivatives.  They should. Would it be helpful to also educate the consumer sector starting in primary school about how systems work so that when they reach the age of accountability they can make informed choices and are not dependent on a junior finance person to guide them in major life borrowing ,saving , and investment choices 

As a result, departmental managers, whose bonuses depended on trading profits, were allowed to dictate trading strategy.  By ticking the boxes of risk management, they were able to convince boards that they fully understood and controlled risk.  Yes exactly, risk management is not infallible,paradigms shift and those that work by formulas in the absence of understanding will not have the tools with which to cope when times go south   

The debate is centring on executive pay being changed to allow a three year period before bonuses can be paid.I can't see this as fixing anything it just makes less incentive available at lower levels and still leaves inadequately equipped traders in a place of influence and lowers the standard as people who can get better positions with more incentive elsewhere  will do that so that leaves the market with the left overs. If I am offered a bonus to 'do it right' but only have surface training on a need to know basis I will do fine in the years of plenty but in the years of famine I will wonder along with the populace where the money went. I was in Argentina several years ago when they closed the banks...managers were committing suicide enmasse they worked with what was entrusted to them and the fault was not theirs yet they carried the burden and guilt of failure for things they were not trained to do. These things never seem to reach the popular press but it was a sobering experience   First, some of these products take longer than three years to become toxic.  Second, traders will still be tempted to go off message if they are on bonuses.  Third, only when downside risk - no pension, no payoff - equals upside potential will managers and traders truly change their behaviour.I agree this is the system of behavoirism  and incentive and should go upstream beyond traders to the very top and trickle down
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 05:12:35 PM »

It is clear that the financial crisis has demonstrated woeful shortcomings in the management, governance and regulation of financial institutions. Indeed the FSA itself has owned up to such shortcomings.

The problems caused by the so-called 'toxic assets' do specifically point to the basic failure of those running institutions to understand sometimes even the basics about the treasury assets they are taking on board.

My experience is that often even the features of conventional, 'vanilla' and certainly low-risk assets were/are not readily understood by management. Given this weak platform of understanding the features and 'mechanics' of the more complex instruments like asset-backed securities were/are hardly likely to be readily grasped. So in decisions about whether to buy such assets great reliance was placed on the views of (treasury) traders and risk managers. Additionally those institutions looking to invest in these more complex assets may well have drawn comfort from those of their peers who were already investing in them (and until the 2007 doing nicely out of them).

Surely under a new 'approved persons regime' the FSA must put in place formal arrangements to ensure the proven capability amongst executive and non-executive directors to understand the asset and liability structures they are authorising their teasury divisions to transact in..with such testing being repeated every 2 or 3 years to ensure that directors keep up to date with market developments.
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