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Cancer treatment in France: the pros and cons
Following ex OU academic Jill Reynolds' previous posts 'what if I die before I get old' husband Dave continues Jill's story of her experience of cancer treatment in France…
The news in March that chemo treatment had reduced the size of Jill's secondary cancers gave us confidence that with more treatment we could enjoy summer at our house in France and pop down to Spain so Jill could practise her Spanish.
The last blog 'European Union at work' expressed our frustrating experience of health system bureaucracies, but in mid-April she started chemo in Narbonne. We did not expect things to change so quickly. The nagging pain in her left hip quickly got worse. In early April we'd got our bikes out for short rides and done vineyard walks of an hour or so; two weeks later she was on crutches and moving a few paces with difficulty.
When we'd asked 'specialists', in Oxford or Narbonne, if this was likely to be cancer spreading to her bones, they all said 'probably not; pancreatic cancer spreading to bones is rare, only five to 10 per cent of cases'. We had it x-rayed and went to see a 'rhumatalogist' Dr Brousson, an earnest man with a reputation for brusqueness.
He eyed Jill and her x-ray with the look of a gas engineer inspecting an obsolete boiler, and said: “Hole here. Very thin here, perhaps fissure. Risk of fracture. Perhaps try cement. You walked in here with aid of one crutch? Always use two. Do not walk back down the corridor; take a wheelchair. Put no weight on legs. Come to hospital tomorrow for scans and tests.”
'The news from the scans was not good. Jill was one of the five to 10 per cent whose cancer had spread to bones'
Whenever you go to any healthcare service they always ask for your 'carte vitale' with social security number first. Having to explain “we're not resident here, don't have carte vitale, but do have an international exchange agreement, form S2, I know you haven't heard of it, here's our number” became a little tedious but once you've got the paperwork sorted they do move. None of this “a secretary will get back to you in a week or so with a date for some other time” - they pick up the phone, talk to the scan unit, and say “tomorrow”.
The news from the scans was not good. Jill was one of the five to 10 per cent whose cancer had spread to bones - hip and back. So as 'cement' was obviously not an option a 10-day course of radiotherapy, reputed to be a good treatment for bone cancers, was arranged.
The treatment clinic in Beziers was modern and full of high tech robot things that targeted several places at once. Although the actual treatment only takes a few minutes, we had a daily 70-mile round trip by taxi/ambulance which dominated the day.
'If Jill's mobility was unlikely to allow her to do much, we thought of returning to the UK'
We were told it takes up to four weeks for radiotherapy to take effect, so Jill put her feet up and waited; nothing changed. At least she could enjoy a small vin rouge in our sunny garden. Everyone told us what a washout the English summer was so we could almost feel smug. After three weeks there was a follow up and when we asked if, given more time, benefits from radiotherapy might still appear, Dr Mathieu gave a very gallic shrug and spread of hands.
The frustrating thing about pancreatic cancer is that for all the specialisms and high tech kit nobody understands how this disease works and what might happen. It's not that they're bad, or lazy, they just don't know and can't tell you much.
If Jill's mobility was unlikely to allow her to do much, we thought of returning to the UK where we were confident of the end of life care given by Macmillan nurses and the local hospice. But a week or so later Jill lost the use of her legs and ability to stand, so travel would evidently be difficult.
She now has 'soins palliatif a la maison' where local nurses come in twice a day to wash, change dressings etc and they're marvellous. She even has a physio visit daily to give her foot massage 'pour le circulation' while we watch Bradley Wiggins on TV puffing up the Pyrenees a couple of hours from here on 'le tour'.
So what are the differences, the pros and cons of having treatment in France or staying in the UK? As one might expect, they're both Western European countries with similar educational traditions so the solutions will be similar.
In France there's a lot of 'up front' bureaucracy partly due to the network of public and private providers. They react quicker; waiting times are much less or non-existent, which is important when dealing with 'aggressive' cancers. They spend about 20 per cent more per person on healthcare - a significant difference but not a massive one. You can see plenty of opportunities for cost savings!
In the UK the slowness that seems endemic in the admin is difficult to understand and so stressful. The support systems - both NHS and personal - are more intimate. In the end all roads lead to the same place; some are quicker or more comfortable than others.
- You can read Jill's first, second, third and fourth post, covering the experience of dealing with a terminal illness by clicking the links.
Jill Reynolds died on 26 July 2012 in France. Jill's contribution to the university and the Faculty of Health and Social Care was immense and stretched over many years, until she retired on health grounds. She was not only a gifted and committed teacher and researcher but, as those who had the pleasure of working with her will know, a delightful and supportive colleague.
Following ex OU academic Jill Reynolds' previous posts 'what if I die before I get old' husband Dave continues Jill's story of her experience of cancer treatment in France… The news in March that chemo treatment had reduced the size of Jill's secondary cancers gave us confidence that with more treatment we could enjoy summer at our house in France and pop down to Spain so Jill could ...
The european union at work; getting healthcare in France
Following ex-OU academic Jill Reynolds' previous three posts on 'what if I die before I get old' her husband Dave now takes up the story of their struggle with health system bureaucracies...
At then end of three months of chemo the lumps (secondaries) in Jill's stomach had gone down, so we had two choices: whether to have another three months' chemo; and if so, whether to have it in England or France.
Difficult decision; commit to staying in the damp drizzle of a cotswold spring or the sun and vin rouge of the Languedoc. So, after her March celebration in Chippy we phoned the medecine generale (GP) in Bizanet and asked how we'd get chemo treatment there.
"Simple; just come and see me, I refer you to a specialist, he'll see you in a couple of days, off you go." "Pardon; a couple of days - you mean a couple of weeks, surely?" "Mais non."
The local Dr Azemar referred us speedily to the Narbonne polyclinique which delivered chemo. They assured us that cancer treatment was paid for '100%' by the state provided you had a social security number. So down the CPAM office we go - "your main residence is England but you have a house here - you have proof of ownership? then we can give you a social number." Easy; we bring that back next day with passport and other ID. "Ah, now you need an S2." "What?""Le S deux!
Nobody mentioned that. I ring the international health team in Newcastle and after spending a couple of half hours listening to music someone finally answers. "Yes, every EU citizen has the right to access healthcare where ever they are. If it's an emergency use the EHIC card; if it's an existing illness (like cancer) you need an S2" "We'll have one of those please." "But you're already in France? Oh no. Very strict procedure for S2. Your UK consultant has to agree the treatment you would have had here, write to your local health commissioner who writes back to us, and if we agree we send it to your UK address." "Can't you send it to us in France; that's where we are." "Of course not; you're registered with the NHS in UK."
We call our friendly Chippy GP, who seems uncertain who the local health commissioner is in our brave new super choice world, but she finds out who to call a lot quicker than I did and the S2 gets emailed to us in just a week.
When we return to CPAM the woman whose office we huffed out of last time calls a rugby player look alike who doesn't like our assertion that we've been asked for different things each time we visit, that the French SS 'marche bien' and you mess with bureaucracy at your peril. He ticks off every bit of paper, we think we're there, and he says "you have a bank account in France?" "Mais oui" says I. "In your name? Not your wife's? The treatment is for your wife, so there must be an account in her name into which we can pay reimbursements." "Can't you just use mine?" "Monsieur! You think we have a revolution for liberty, equality, fraternity so you English types can come here and trouser your wife's money off our state?" This was of course conveyed not in words but a minute, yet distinct, raising of the right eyebrow. "Right. We'll go and open a bank account then."
By now we're a little anxious because we've booked chemo to start and would really like everything in place. Into the Credit Agricole branch where I opened my account in 10 minutes a few years back we went. "Banks much more careful now - crisis, you know. You must have a rendezvous to open an account and bring all these bits of paper." "Okay, but it's urgent." "How about a week next Friday?" "No, URGENT urgent" "Ah. Monday morning then."
So after a pleasant half hour with Gael; "I like England - work as barman in Birmingham" we finally become signed up recipients to the French health system - and I have to say, once you've got the paperwork, the medical lot do things quickly and efficiently - but that's another story.
Following ex-OU academic Jill Reynolds' previous three posts on 'what if I die before I get old' her husband Dave now takes up the story of their struggle with health system bureaucracies... At then end of three months of chemo the lumps (secondaries) in Jill's stomach had gone down, so we had two choices: whether to have another three months' chemo; and if so, whether to have it in England ...
Helping clinicians delivering end-of-life care...
Lindsay Turton is an OU associate lecturer and Macmillan Lead Nurse for Palliative Care for Hull and East Riding. “Our student cohort can relate the course materials to their clinical practice and to real patients. It’s this experience that informs the students’ study. It’s really good to see that light bulb moment when the students realise the theory they’ve learned really fits with what they are doing in their work,” she says. Here she explains more about her work with the OU’s death and dying course for clinicians delivering end-of-life care in a range of services across the Hull and East Riding…
“It’s an excellent way for clinicians to develop in their skills, and by undertaking this course clinicians have the opportunity to explore the theories around death and dying and apply them to their own practice.
“I am an Open University Associate Lecturer along with my colleague Dawn Robinson, Macmillan Clinical Nurse Specialist, delivering the OU Death and Dying Course in a unique collaboration between the NHS and the Open University.
“As part of our unique approach to delivery of the course we have our own cohort of students so rather than all learning individually we have organised it so they are all learning together. We’ve had in the past students from community hospitals, nannies from children’s units, hospice nurses and of course community team nurses.
"We bring them together for four tutorial days and they each bring their own experience to their learning, which not only helps them, but the cross fertilisation of thinking means you can see them all learning from each other. The networking and group work at the tutorial days also encourages greater understanding of the different perspectives of staff in many different care delivery settings.
“It’s a very personal approach. We actively recruit through the NHS managers who have identified end of life /palliative care as a desired course within the professional development process and are also approached directly by interested clinicians who work with people who have completed the course and recommended it.
“Management support is an essential element and the NHS organisations commit to the four tutorial days for their staff. Funding currently comes from the Strategic Health Authority.
“We all work within the Hull and East Riding, and our students hand it in their assignments directly to Dawn and myself rather than send it electronically. The students can ring us either in work or out of work if they are struggling or need support. We mark the assignments together and our marking and feedback is monitored through the OU monitor system where we have been consistently praised for the quality of our feedback over 10 years of delivering the course.
“Our student cohort can relate the course materials to their clinical practice and to real patients. It’s this experience that informs the students’ study. It’s really good to see that light bulb moment when the students realise the theory they’ve learned really fits with what they are doing in their work.
“OU study also teaches people to take time out to examine what they are doing. The Death and dying module helps them reflect on their practice and to see how they can work more effectively, it also boosts their confidence by making them appreciate sometimes how well they are doing in practice. This can in turn impact on delivery of care which potentially improves how we do our work – and in end-of-life care, you do only have one chance to get it right.
“An Open University course in the workplace is good for everyone. It is the perfect way for our trusts to develop their staff. Time out of work is minimal – our students had four taught days. The financial and educational outcomes for the student and the employer are excellent. The employer has an efficient workforce that improves skills and learns to analyse how it makes the maximum contribution, and the staff gain knowledge, and confidence.”
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Lindsay Turton is an OU associate lecturer and Macmillan Lead Nurse for Palliative Care for Hull and East Riding. “Our student cohort can relate the course materials to their clinical practice and to real patients. It’s this experience that informs the students’ study. It’s really good to see that light bulb moment when the students realise the theory they’ve ...
Living with a shortened life expectancy (part three)
This is the third in a series of posts from ex-OU academic Dr Jill Reynolds on living with a shortened life expectancy. You can read the first and second post here.
What the statistics couldn't tell me was how long I actually have, or what the quality of my life will be at different points on this cancer journey. I wanted to have some kind of party, and while it might be nice to put off the timing of this, I might not actually be up to it if I left it too late. So I fixed on a date towards the end of March as giving space for me to get the three cycles of chemo over with, and time enough to let people know it was on. We planned to go and live in France for our next step, and enjoy more health-giving sunshine.
From the Folk Club I belong to, some years ago a number of us attended a kind of wake or celebration of the life of one of the members who died suddenly. It was a very warm and vibrant occasion, people gave tributes, spoke of memories, sang or played their instruments in honour of Bill. I thought at the time how much I would like something similar and what a pity it would seem not to be able to enjoy it in one's lifetime. So I planned a celebration of my own, that I hoped I would be able to attend. An old friend told me she thought people taking part might find this quite hard. Everyone else I spoke to reacted very positively, some pointing out that the most important consideration should be that I enjoy it.
Not all my close friends were able to attend, and all the contact with people spurred on sub-sets of get-togethers both before and after this event. These were all great occasions too, and some people used their inability to take part in the main celebration to deliver an accolade on what knowing me had meant to them; I tried to respond in kind. You know how each Christmas you get dozens of cards from people wishing the best for the new year and saying 'let's make it next year that we see each other'? I used to read these, and think, 'well, if I were to spend a week-end with each of them that would be 60 weekends committed'. In contrast, this year I must have seen hundreds of the people who mean a lot to me; while that's not everyone, it feels like a great achievement.
The celebration went wonderfully. People came long distances in order to join in, from Scotland, Yorkshire, Norfolk and from all parts of my life, people with whom I shared different enthusiasms and interests. Family, school friends, those I was close to at university, members of my cycling groups, folk club musicians and singers – a whole entourage of fabulous people. Below is one of the video extracts and more can be found on YouTube.
One friend, disappointed not to be able to be there in person, wrote a poem in my honour (look to your laurels Miss Joan Hunter Dunn!) and coached a mutual friend who was planning on coming in how it should be delivered. Edith Piaf was conjured up in 'Je ne regrette rien', the King Stone Rappers invaded with their sword sticks and did a rapper dance in the remarkably small space available, and a whole panoply of drunken intellectuals was invoked in 'The Philosophers' Song'. The exceptionally talented members of our folk club and elsewhere played and sang all sorts of terrific music, some penned by themselves.
People's competitive streaks became apparent as they focused on finding the answers to quiz questions all about myself - and had to talk to those who had known me at different periods in my life. The answer to 'In how many different countries has Jill visited the A&E department' (usually after falling off bicycle) turned into something of a movable feast as those present remembered places I'd now forgotten!
We sang and chatted for four hours - some people had to leave before they had a chance to perform and I was disappointed to learn that my brother had come ready to present 'The Cobbler's Song' but didn't get to do it.
It was a truly fabulous celebration for Dave and myself. Did some friends find it hard and was it like a wake where I was able to be present? I'm not sure - one friend explained later that she and her partner had left early because she was in a state where she could not stop crying. Another who I hadn't seen since learning that I have cancer needed to express how upset she was to hear it, and seemed unable to leave the subject alone. I became aware of the coded middle class ways we have of dealing with these sensitive matters. Are there conventions about how much it is okay to say and when? Often it's just a matter of a hug, a pat, a squeeze or a look that conveys that the other knows it's not business as usual.
So there wasn't a series of speeches about precisely how wonderful I was ... and that's probably no bad thing. We passed round a guest book in which people could write comments and there were some delightful ones. I also got a lot of cards, now installed in the same book. Dave's favourite had a picture of a glamorous 1920s woman in furs and JILL inserted in front of the words on the card: 'Queen of friggin' everything'!
This is the third in a series of posts from ex-OU academic Dr Jill Reynolds on living with a shortened life expectancy. You can read the first and second post here. What the statistics couldn't tell me was how long I actually have, or what the quality of my life will be at different points on this cancer journey. I wanted to have some kind of party, and while it might be nice to put off the ...
How do I tell friends I have cancer? (part two)
This is the second in a series of posts from ex-OU academic Dr Jill Reynolds on living with a shortened life expectancy. You can read the first post here.
Learning in mid-December that I have pancreatic cancer faced me with a number of problems, not least of which was how to let people know, and how much to tell them at this point. Dave, my husband, was with me of course when the phone went at 8.45am to tell me I should see the oncology consultant today, at a time I had been expecting to see the lymphoma specialist who had been so confident that my symptoms were due to lymphoma, a highly treatable condition.
I was preparing already to send people eChristmas cards, having wanted to wait until I had a diagnosis and some information about my condition. But I didn't at that point know anything about pancreatic cancer, and it was not until after my diagnosis appointment that I began to grasp the point that what I had was not at all a treatable condition, and that the best I could hope for some diminution of pain from symptoms as a result of 'palliative' chemotherapy, and perhaps an extra couple of months of life.
Some of my close friends and my brother were aware of my ongoing medical investigations and they rang that evening to find out what I'd heard. While it wasn't easy telling them, they were mostly prepared for some kind of important news and responded accordingly, so that felt okay. I just knew that I couldn't speak to anyone who had no idea I was unwell. I emailed a few further friends who were aware I had health worries. Dave and I decided to go to our house in France for Christmas: it seemed that my chemotherapy sessions would not start till the end of December and it might be hard for us to take time away from the UK once sessions were in full swing of one chemo blast per week and a consultative session in the fourth week.
Using the 'death threat' to get her company
Magically, two of my close women friends agreed to come with us for this week away. One had already paid regular visits with us; the other hadn't managed to find time yet to join us in France, and with black humour suggested that I had used an extreme ploy to ensure her company. People talked about the need to get away from everyday life, and I was not sure what might be different about being away from home, the ghastly diagnosis wouldn't change, but somehow it's true, it was different.
I still wanted to contact people I would normally be in touch with at this time of year. Email was a wonderful way to be able to do this. It gave the recipient the opportunity to take in the information while giving them time to respond. The European Commission calls for action to make e-technology more accessible for older people, and this sort of global communication seems a very important item for that agenda. People have their own connections with someone who has had cancer, and as we heard back some sad stories, we wondered whether there was an epidemic of cancer that meant everyone knew far more people who had it? One correspondent suggested that no, it may not have risen but now we are all much better informed about the states of health of our peers just because of the possibilities of instant and widespread communication.
Everyone responded in a way that was far more mature than I have ever managed at such times. In the past I've tended to block out such upsetting information, in some way distancing myself from the person concerned, saying to myself: 'I don't really know them that well, they will be getting a huge number of responses from people closer than me.' When my father died, aged 64 at a time when I was only 19 years old, while terribly upset, I comforted myself with the idea that since I was away at university, it was not like living at home and would not change my everyday life hugely. I was to learn over the years how wrong I was on this.
So I'm in no position to make judgements criticising the quality of people's responses. Any response, even 'I don't know what to say' in some way shares the emotion and the pain. There were some surprises, and some long delays on the part of those I had expected to hear from. I later learnt, at least from some of these, that they had felt so angry at the news, the unfairness of it all, that they had just had to 'go for a long walk on the beach' as one respondent put it.
I did try phoning one person, whose email I couldn't find, and this confirmed to me that face to face or telephone is not the best modes for me. What happens is that the other person is shocked and upset to hear my news, and this resonates between us. I get upset at the thought that they are so upset and the distress increases. With one or two friends who don't use email, I asked a mutual friend if they could pass on the information. In one case, my choice was rather insensitive: the person I asked to help was my target's ex-boyfriend from school and university days. I had presumed that they have maintained contact over time, but I later heard from the friend that she had been quite shocked to hear the voice, no longer recognisable to her, of someone she hadn't spoken to for years.
A very joyous and informal event
Deciding what to say to colleagues from work was difficult. At the Open University we work in quite small teams on different research or teaching projects. As I'd been off sick for some time, people had shifted around to cover the gap, and I therefore wasn't in that regular contact with anyone. I thought that rather than send a global email to all in the faculty, some of whom might hardly know me, I would select out everyone who I remembered working with closely in recent years. Of course I was bound to forget some important people that way. One ex-colleague and friend wondered how the faculty would cope with a farewell event - as she said 'They usually handle these things really well, but I'm not sure how they'll manage in these sad circumstances.' She offered to arrange a pub lunch so that anyone I wanted there could say goodbye. In the event, practically everyone I'd identified, colleagues and ex-colleagues, over 20 people all turned up, and it was a very joyous and informal event. I still worried about those who'd got left off my wish list, in case they felt ignored or rejected - but let's hope they understand.
Thanks for your comments. I look forward to hearing some more.
Jill Reynolds
30 April 2012
This is the second in a series of posts from ex-OU academic Dr Jill Reynolds on living with a shortened life expectancy. You can read the first post here. Learning in mid-December that I have pancreatic cancer faced me with a number of problems, not least of which was how to let people know, and how much to tell them at this point. Dave, my husband, was with me of course when the phone went ...
What if I die before I get old? (part one)
In the first of a series of posts on living with a shortened life expectancy, retired OU lecturer Jill Reynolds writes from the heart, and of her own experiences...
I was given the diagnosis of pancreatic cancer a few months ago, and was shocked to learn that the average life expectancy from time of diagnosis is six months. Some people I’ve known quote Pete Townshend’s ‘Hope I die before I get old’ as a theme close to their hearts.
I’ve just been reading Joan Barfoot’s 2008 novel Exit Lines and was drawn along by the plot which features a set of people brought together by their entry into a local care home: the Idyll Inn. Ruth has osteoarthritis and her body is quite twisted: someone apparently not so happy in old age, perhaps ensuing pain is what has led her to decide that she will take her own life? A further possibility is that Ruth never had any children: does this mean that since her husband’s death she has no feelings for anyone left who needs her? She looks to her three new companions in care to give her help with her planned exit. They are alarmed and puzzled as to why she is so determined to end it all: they were getting on so well, did she pick them out at first encounter as people who would fall in with her challenging request?
It seems Ruth is not depressed, and doesn’t hate her life but has an overall sense of discouragement about the world. In contrast, I was more than willing to explore the paths and possibilities of old age and take things as they come. My hopes of exploration suddenly cut off: ‘I’m only 63, that hardly even counts as being old!’ Apparently my imagined visit to the future to learn from the Jill aged 80+ What do we know about being old and childless: an interview with my future self was just that – imagination?
So many questions: how do I tell my friends? Who are my friends? How much do they want to know? How do I feel now about my long-held ambitions for retirement – travelling to South America, improving my Spanish and getting an OU degree in modern language studies? What about the loss of plans now unlikely to be achieved? Are there any positives – what are the things that I now don’t have to do? Can I take each day as a gift and extract maximum pleasure from it?
'So I’d like to go on record here as saying that at times of need, caring and love received, whether from friends or partner, are of incredible value'
Luckily I don’t have to deal with all these questions alone. People talk about ‘journeys’: a friend writes ‘I hope this one can have some good aspects. It is a journey for us too’. I think she means that friends are sharing my journey with me, whether willingly or unwillingly, almost like Ruth’s poor companions who were compelled to engage with her death plans. As well as giving me their support, they are dealing with their own sense of loss and grief. She also of course may have in mind that none of us really know for sure when we are going to die and we all have to face this happening at some time, whether or not we get some advance warning.
In particular my husband Dave has been a solid support and wonderful friend: he acts as PA dealing with my medical appointments and tests; researches information about nutrition and other health-promoting actions; makes fantastic vegetable and fruit juices and ‘build-up’ drinks; fights my battles in sorting out pension details; cries and laughs with me and gives me love and affection.
My writing on singleness and childlessness does not view them as states to be pitied – beyond the range of what is ‘normal’ – but as states that are often outside our ability to change, and needing to become part of our more general understanding of possibilities for life as a whole (see The Single Woman: a Discursive Investigation, Jill Reynolds published by Routledge.)
None of my writings should be taken as critical of marriage or partnership as such, simply of the privileging of such long-term relationships as the ‘normal’ and therefore ‘to be expected’ pathway that lives should take. So I’d like to go on record here as saying that at times of need, caring and love received, whether from friends or partner, are of incredible value.
This is the first in what I hope will be a series of blogs on living with a shortened life expectancy, in which I’ll aim to address some of my questions above. I'm not the only person facing this likelihood, and I hope that if you have a similar experience, or know someone who does, you will post a comment here – your companionship will be welcome to me.
Jill Reynolds
2 April 2012
Picture caption: At times of need, caring and love received is of great value
In the first of a series of posts on living with a shortened life expectancy, retired OU lecturer Jill Reynolds writes from the heart, and of her own experiences... I was given the diagnosis of pancreatic cancer a few months ago, and was shocked to learn that the average life expectancy from time of diagnosis is six months. Some people I’ve known quote Pete Townshend’s ...
Feb 2012 start
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I am starting K260 in Feb 2012 just wondered who else is and would love hear from you
Take care
Mandy.
Hi I am starting K260 in Feb 2012 just wondered who else is and would love hear from you Take care Mandy.

