Don´t know if anyone is outraged like I was with what´s happening to the South African 18 year old at the World Atheletics currently being held in Berlin.
TracyBuchanan - Wed, 26/08/2009 - 09:50
I agree, I feel for her too - we got one of our academics to blog about this for Platform, click here for the link. Or go to Blogs, Academic Blogs then scroll down.
Thanks, Tracy (Member of Platform team)
nimmy - Wed, 26/08/2009 - 11:32
Women are always looking for gender issues.
From what little I've seen over the years, sports are full of people talking drugs and steroids. No harm checking people out.
Can't say I take that story too seriously. Why does it take weeks? Unless there's some form of sex change going on surely it's pretty much easy to prove she's a woman. Nip in the toilets and compare notes.
Seems an awfully extreme measure to win a race otherwise.
nimmy - Wed, 26/08/2009 - 11:34
For any one wondering I put 'N I P in to the toilets', for some reason it posted characters in stead.
drawl
- Wed, 26/08/2009 - 14:21
There's no dispute as to her been born a woman. What they are saying is that she may have more male hormones than she should, or that she may even have XY chromozones as opposed to XX. Apparently some women have these male chromozones without knowing and it doesn't prevent your body functioning as a woman. Either way the whole incident has been handled shamefully. I'm just glad she seems to be getting great support from the other athletes. Makes you wonder though - a woman may be considered medically male even if a female.
nimmy - Thu, 27/08/2009 - 04:52
If she's very masculine they have every right to thoroughly check her out. She wouldn't be the first to use hormones.
I always thought that it was xx for women and xy for men, but there is something called androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), she might have that.
drawl
- Thu, 27/08/2009 - 09:09
Your're right Mimmy it is XX for women and XY for men. But it seems that a few women without knowing it are XY -(Maybe the androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) that you mention). But as these checks are not an uncommon occurance in atheletics as the IAAF has said - and are usually done very descretly and in an sensitive manner, I just think that this young woman has been shamefully treated. The IAAF aknowledge that she is not at fault. This case should have been handled just like the others - discreetly.
Darren
- Mon, 01/03/2010 - 22:53
All atheletes must be checked for that condition if it's to be the case although I think it's shite, it might exist but so what, because other female athletes may have it, look good, not train so hard but do okay. It's not about fair play it's about success, it's clear, it's always clear to all of us.
wrighty
- Thu, 17/09/2009 - 22:22
Caster Semenya is an anagram of "Yes a secret man" - that proves it!
Darren
- Mon, 01/03/2010 - 21:50
If she has ovaries she's woman or has mostly ovaries even.
Darren
- Mon, 01/03/2010 - 21:51
Perhaps she could consider leaving the sport.
Darren
- Mon, 01/03/2010 - 21:54
This is what the inquisition stopped.
Darren
- Mon, 01/03/2010 - 21:55
How can a person measure if they're average enough to compete?
Darren
- Mon, 01/03/2010 - 23:05
A woman must look like a woman to be assumed to be a women or as an athlete her gender must be verified unyet the feminists still smile like they know some-thing important that I do not but where are the feminists here, not a gapen maw opened.
AlanSmith
- Fri, 26/03/2010 - 16:47
If the individual concerned had been Thai, there could be good reason to question whether she was born male or female. There are many khateoys here "people of the 3rd gender" - i.e. men who have had breast implants but still have let's say what it takes to get a woman pregnant (not sure what I can or can't say in this regard!). Trust me, some of them are better looking than many real women.
After living in Thailand for 5 years, I can spot 95% of the khatoeys at a glance but there are still a few that need a more careful look and the odd one that could fool me completely. I am reliably informed that one fairly obvious khatoey that I've seen has had the full sex change.
Alan
JaxV
- Thu, 29/04/2010 - 16:36
Have you seen her though? She certainly looks like a man, even to the extent of having no visible breasts.
I agree the situation was handled badly (does anyone know the outcome btw?) but I also agree the gender does need to be established.
I agree, I feel for her too - we got one of our academics to blog about this for Platform, click here for the link. Or go to Blogs, Academic Blogs then scroll down.
Thanks, Tracy (Member of Platform team)
Women are always looking for gender issues.
From what little I've seen over the years, sports are full of people talking drugs and steroids. No harm checking people out.
Can't say I take that story too seriously. Why does it take weeks? Unless there's some form of sex change going on surely it's pretty much easy to prove she's a woman. Nip in the toilets and compare notes.
Seems an awfully extreme measure to win a race otherwise.
For any one wondering I put 'N I P in to the toilets', for some reason it posted characters in stead.
There's no dispute as to her been born a woman. What they are saying is that she may have more male hormones than she should, or that she may even have XY chromozones as opposed to XX. Apparently some women have these male chromozones without knowing and it doesn't prevent your body functioning as a woman. Either way the whole incident has been handled shamefully. I'm just glad she seems to be getting great support from the other athletes. Makes you wonder though - a woman may be considered medically male even if a female.
If she's very masculine they have every right to thoroughly check her out. She wouldn't be the first to use hormones.
I always thought that it was xx for women and xy for men, but there is something called androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), she might have that.
Your're right Mimmy it is XX for women and XY for men. But it seems that a few women without knowing it are XY -(Maybe the androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) that you mention). But as these checks are not an uncommon occurance in atheletics as the IAAF has said - and are usually done very descretly and in an sensitive manner, I just think that this young woman has been shamefully treated. The IAAF aknowledge that she is not at fault. This case should have been handled just like the others - discreetly.
All atheletes must be checked for that condition if it's to be the case although I think it's shite, it might exist but so what, because other female athletes may have it, look good, not train so hard but do okay. It's not about fair play it's about success, it's clear, it's always clear to all of us.
Caster Semenya is an anagram of "Yes a secret man" - that proves it!
If she has ovaries she's woman or has mostly ovaries even.
Perhaps she could consider leaving the sport.
This is what the inquisition stopped.
How can a person measure if they're average enough to compete?
A woman must look like a woman to be assumed to be a women or as an athlete her gender must be verified unyet the feminists still smile like they know some-thing important that I do not but where are the feminists here, not a gapen maw opened.
If the individual concerned had been Thai, there could be good reason to question whether she was born male or female. There are many khateoys here "people of the 3rd gender" - i.e. men who have had breast implants but still have let's say what it takes to get a woman pregnant (not sure what I can or can't say in this regard!). Trust me, some of them are better looking than many real women.
After living in Thailand for 5 years, I can spot 95% of the khatoeys at a glance but there are still a few that need a more careful look and the odd one that could fool me completely. I am reliably informed that one fairly obvious khatoey that I've seen has had the full sex change.
Alan
Have you seen her though? She certainly looks like a man, even to the extent of having no visible breasts.
I agree the situation was handled badly (does anyone know the outcome btw?) but I also agree the gender does need to be established.