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Hi, I'm Ian from near Exeter. I'm a carer for my disbaled son and I've just signed up with the OU (Y166) with a view to getting a Law degree in my spare time. Long time since I've studied but they say that life begins at 40!
Hi, I'm Ian from near Exeter. I'm a carer for my disbaled son and I've just signed up with the OU (Y166) with a view to getting a Law degree in my spare time. Long time since I've studied but they say that life begins at 40!
Whistleblowers could have averted some of recent history’s worst transport disasters, financial collapses and public scandals.
That they didn’t might be down to employees' fear that speaking out will cost them their job, career and livelihood suggests Kate Ritchie, Open University Associate Lecturer.
Writing on the new Legal Verdict blog Whistleblowing – A Lose, Lose Situation? she examines how there is, theoretically, legal protection for those who uncover wrongdoing at their place of work in The Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998 but many employees remain ignorant of it.
Kate considers how there could be a legal requirement for some to speak out - justified only if there is clear support for employees and a shift in the mindset of employers towards whistleblowing.
Legal Verdict has its roots in The Open University’s Law School. Some of the authors are legal academics at The Open University and others are guest authors. Debate and comment is welcomed.
Whistleblowers could have averted some of recent history’s worst transport disasters, financial collapses and public scandals. That they didn’t might be down to employees' fear that speaking out will cost them their job, career and livelihood suggests Kate Ritchie, Open University Associate Lecturer. Writing on the new Legal Verdict ...
She will also present occasional lectures on themes relating to human rights and public law.
Cherie has supported the Open University Law School since 1997, and she attended the launch of its first Law courses not long before moving into Downing Street following the election victory of her husband Tony Blair.
She has also worked with the Open University’s Development Office and the Law School in establishing the basis of a legal education project in Rwanda and in a major collaboration with the Asian University for Women. In addition, she has given lectures on working with the major charitable organisation she helped establish, the Africa Justice Foundation.
Cherie is a co-founder of legal practice Matrix Chambers.
Professor Gary Slapper, Director of the OU Law School, said: “We are delighted to have Cherie Booth QC as a Visiting Professor. Her work as an internationally distinguished lawyer is an inspiration to our students, and her work in helping to establish the Africa Justice Foundation is something members of the Open University Law School are keen to support.”
Cherie Booth’s inaugural lecture as a Visiting Professor of Law at the Open University takes place on 29 September at the Commonwealth Club in London. It will be entitled The Importance of Law in the Modern World.
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Cherie Booth QC has been appointed Visiting Professor in Law at the Open University. In this role she will support the university’s mission to widen participation in legal education, and to extend the Open University Law School’s global reach through her experience as a human rights lawyer. She will also present occasional lectures on themes relating to human ...
Hi,
Anyone starting this course in September??
Regards
Babs
Hi, Anyone starting this course in September?? Regards Babs
Hi everyone,
I'm doing an BA Open degree. I need to start studying level 2 and I would like to do the Diploma in English Law for my level 2. For my level 1 study I did W100.
I wondered if anyone who has studied w200, could give me an insight to w200 and what their experience was like.
Thanks in advance,
Catherine.
Hi everyone, I'm doing an BA Open degree. I need to start studying level 2 and I would like to do the Diploma in English Law for my level 2. For my level 1 study I did W100. I wondered if anyone who has studied w200, could give me an insight to w200 and what their experience was like. Thanks in advance, Catherine.
Hello to All out there !!!
Seeking info. on W100 to help me decide if his is what l really want to study the next time around.
Can anyone help me out with this ?
Shaun
Hello to All out there !!! Seeking info. on W100 to help me decide if his is what l really want to study the next time around. Can anyone help me out with this ? Shaun
An unhappy result in court following a road accident inspired a plumbing and heating engineer to pursue a new career as a lawyer.
And thanks to the OU Jeremy Vernall is well on his way after picking up a law degree.
Jeremy, aged 50, of Choppington, Northumberland, received his degree at a ceremony at Sage Gateshead in June.
He was driving home from work several years ago when another driver pulled out and collided with the side of his vehicle.
The other driver denied careless driving and after appearing in court was cleared.
The experience left Jeremy vowing to join the legal profession, he told the Newcastle Journal,
“In the hope that one day I could make a difference if I was on the other side of the fence.”
He did an OU social sciences course before the four-year LLB (Hons) law degree.
Jeremy hopes to gain further qualifications to become a trainee solicitor.
He said: “I have nothing but praise for the OU law degree course and would recommend it without hesitation to others who want to study while working.
“The bonus of distance learning was the accessibility of the tutors, who were a massive encouragement and nothing was a trouble,” he said.
An unhappy result in court following a road accident inspired a plumbing and heating engineer to pursue a new career as a lawyer. And thanks to the OU Jeremy Vernall is well on his way after picking up a law degree. Jeremy, aged 50, of Choppington, Northumberland, received his degree at a ceremony at Sage Gateshead in June. He was driving home from work several years ago ...
Amnesty! When They Are All Free - an OU/BBC co-production - takes an unprecedented look into the world of Amnesty International as it approaches its 50th anniversary.
Professor Gary Slapper, the Director of the Law School at the OU, was an academic consultant to the film which is being broadcast tonight (Tuesday 31 May) at 9pm on BBC4, highlighting challenges and changing attitudes to human rights.
The film, directed by James Rogan, has been produced to mark the 50th anniversary of Amnesty International in May 2011. It is a critical documentary which brings together a wide cast of interviewees, from Sting to Rowan Atkinson, from Sir Louis Blom Cooper, one of the founders, to Jack Straw, the British Home Secretary who released General Pinochet.
The film poses the fundamental question: has the human rights movement been able to hold back mankind’s capacity for atrocity?
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Amnesty! When They Are All Free - an OU/BBC co-production - takes an unprecedented look into the world of Amnesty International as it approaches its 50th anniversary. Professor Gary Slapper, the Director of the Law School at the OU, was an academic consultant to the film which is being broadcast tonight (Tuesday 31 May) at 9pm on BBC4, highlighting challenges and changing attitudes to human ...
After Devon teenager Claire McVey died from vCJD, her mother Annie began a law degree with the OU to help her navigate the legal system in her battle for compensation...
“Claire had been interested in law and she might well have gone on to study it herself if she had had the chance,” she said. “It was a terrible loss to the family – it should have been us going to her graduation ceremony.”
Claire McVey died from the human form of BSE, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, in 2000. She was aged just 15 and was one of only 177 known victims worldwide. Her death plunged mother Annie into a long battle over compensation claims for victims’ families.
Annie began studying law with the OU in 2004. “When Claire died, we were thrown into this political and legal melee, but it wasn’t a legal system that I recognised," she said. "There was this yawning gap between the pure sense of justice that most of us have, and the legal system I was suddenly involved in. I felt I needed to understand it.”
Ms McVey is disabled and the OU was able to support her in her studies, allowing her to take exams at home and giving her extended deadlines on coursework. “My health has actually improved while I was doing the course, and I think a large part of that is the discipline of the OU and having to meet deadlines," she said. "It was also a good distraction and I met some fantastic people – it also made me more argumentative and more determined.”
Last year Ms McVey and other families took their case to the High Court over what they claimed was a ‘flawed’ Government compensation scheme. But their challenge and a subsequent Court of Appeal action failed.
Annie now plans to become a qualified legal executive, and hopes to go on to take a Masters degree in Medical Ethics.
“I cannot praise the Open University highly enough,” she said. “It allows people like me who can’t go to university full time, to study for a degree. And the quality of the courses and the support they have given me has been excellent.
“My partner Wayne and other members of the family are now following my example and studying with the OU.”
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After Devon teenager Claire McVey died from vCJD, her mother Annie began a law degree with the OU to help her navigate the legal system in her battle for compensation... Now Ms McVey, 53, from Kentisbury, has graduated with a Bachelor of Law honours degree, which she has dedicated to Claire’s memory. She was awarded her certificate at the April 2011 degree ceremony in ...
Hello,
I'm currently studying PPE, but am toying with the idea of transferring my credits to study Law next year. I would just like to hear from students currently studying law to get an idea of what its like. I would guess its a good challenge, interesting and stimulating, but would like some of your thoughts please,
Regards,
Mike
Hello, I'm currently studying PPE, but am toying with the idea of transferring my credits to study Law next year. I would just like to hear from students currently studying law to get an idea of what its like. I would guess its a good challenge, interesting and stimulating, but would like some of your thoughts please, Regards, Mike
Open University law students Philip Zack and Damian Wynne have won the ICLR National Mooting Tournament held at Gray’s Inn in London.
Their opponents were a team from Exeter University, and the final, on Wednesday 30 March, was a re-match of the 2010 final when the OU were runners-up to the Exeter team.
Lord Justice Elias and Mr Justice Cranston judged the final, and had high praise for the advocacy skills of all four of the student mooters before them. They argued their cases well and remained impressively calm under the fire of constant interjections and questioning from the judges.
A moot is designed to resemble a case heard before a judge in court and was originally a teaching tool for apprentice barristers in the Inns of Court. The moot judges are looking for persuasive legal argument that is well presented and clearly structured.
The case before the moot court in the final concerned a disabled pensioner who brought an action in public nuisance against a property development company. Dust and noise pollution from the development of a block of flats had caused the pensioner to suffer from bronchitis and insomnia.
The Open University team won rounds against Wolverhampton University, Manchester Metropolitan University, Nottingham Law School and Durham University to reach the final, and congratulations go to all the members of the OU team - Philip Zack, Damian Wynne, Craig Breed, Naomi Cross and Gwyn Hopkins.
The name of The Open University will join Oxford, Cambridge, Exeter and others on the Mooting Shield – which will remain with the Law School of The Open University for a year.
Pictured, from left to right, are Gwyn Hopkins, Damian Wynne, Director of the OU’s Law Programme Keren Bright, Law Society representative Andrew Dobson, Craig Breed, Philip Zack, Naomi Cross.
Open University law students Philip Zack and Damian Wynne have won the ICLR National Mooting Tournament held at Gray’s Inn in London. Their opponents were a team from Exeter University, and the final, on Wednesday 30 March, was a re-match of the 2010 final when the OU were runners-up to the Exeter team. Lord Justice Elias and Mr Justice Cranston judged the ...
Born with spina bifida, Tanni Grey-Thompson is a wheelchair user, one of the UK’s most successful disabled athletes and three times BBC Wales Sports Personality of the Year. In 2004 she was awarded an honorary doctorate from The Open University. In an interview in 2010 she talks to Platform’s Robyn Slingsby about London 2012, the challenges of being a mother, discrimination, her heroes and skiing.
She’s just turned 40 and although she no longer trains to compete at world-class level, Paralympian Dame Tanni Grey-Thompson certainly has her hands full. While she admits that not having to watch her weight anymore is a huge relief, she’s a huge advocate of the fact that exercise fuels the brain. She still does a lot for sport since retiring in 2008 – with 16 Paralympic medals to her name - but confesses that her biggest challenge yet is being a mum.
“Winning the 100 metres in Athens for me, as an athlete, was the best thing I did. It was probably the closest thing to perfection in terms of any race I did, technically and in terms of my preparation. The trouble with me is I’m never ever happy with what I’ve done, I’m really self critical so for most of my athletics career I didn’t think I’d done enough, and then at the point I didn’t think I could do any more, I retired.
“But, to be honest, having Carys, my daughter, has been the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Being a mother is way harder than any of the work stuff I do because it changes every day. One day she eats peas, the next day she refuses to eat peas and she’ll sit there and say she’s never eaten peas in her life. We’ll be in a shop and I’ll buy her an outfit she says she likes and then you get home and she won’t wear it. It changes every day.
“I was in Beijing for two months last year and before we went, Carys went into school and told the teacher that I was making her going to the Olympics . We had tickets to the opening ceremony and she asked if there would be fireworks, that’s all she was interested in. But once she was there she loved it.”
Permanent state of chaos
Tanni juggles a lot of commitments and has to manage her diary carefully so she spends enough quality time with her husband Dr Ian Thompson and daughter Carys, seven, at their home in Eaglescliffe. How does she do it?
“We live in permanent state of chaos, and that’s fine. There’s a lot of guilt put onto mothers that you have to be perfect mother who cooks, cleans, washes and can hold down a job. I just think that’s nonsense, it’s about not beating yourself up over things and I don’t feel guilty if I give my daughter cheese on toast for tea, even though my own mother would have thought it was dreadful. It’s about not feeling guilty about the stuff you can’t change.
“I really enjoy my work and do lots of different things and I love it, and that has consequences on my husband and daughter but you try and balance it the best you can.
“When I was little my mum stopped working when my sister was born – she’s two years older than me – and went back to work when I was 19, and the world’s not like that anymore. Very occasionally Carys will ask me why I’m away – usually because she wants something out of me. I’ve learned from right back when she was really little that children are amazing at making you feel guilty.
As well as her charity work, Dame Tanni has been involved in the bidding for and planning of the Olympics in London in 2012 – and she’s very excited about it.
Tall poppy syndrome
“London will do an amazing job, when you look at the bid process the team were really professional and did their homework. There’s a bit of a tall poppy syndrome within UK culture, we do sometimes see the negative. This is the best opportunity in sport to showcase what we do and show the world what we’re good at.”
What about disabled access?
“I joined the board at Transport For London (TFL) last year, and going into it my view was why can’t we make all underground stations accessible? But then you look at putting a lift into a tube station and find out you don’t get much change out of £150 million. A lot of work has gone into making the newer stations accessible, but there are issues about air conditioning on the tubes, line upgrades, platform rebuilds, health and safety, and access is one part of it so it all has to go in the melting pot that is the TFL budget and it’s a hard balancing act.
“Every single London bus is wheelchair accessible, every taxi is, so we’re starting off at a much stronger point than any other Olympic or Paralympic city has for quite a while and, for me, the key is educating people. Not a lot of people will know this but there’s a really cool underground map which shows the accessible stations, so the ones I can’t use are in pale grey so they don’t cloud my view of where I can travel. So for me the key is education and we’ll have amazingly well trained volunteers at Games times to help people get to where they want to go. Education is key.
“2012 can be a platform to try and make London more accessible in a wider sense to everyone - mums with prams, wheelchairs, blind people.”
Discrimination
Dame Tanni has no problem getting around but says disabled people do suffer discrimination and things like access to higher education are more challenging.
“The reality for disabled people is that education is harder. So whether they miss school time because of illness or they’re in hospital of if they’ve missed things because of their impairment, I sometimes think that higher education isn’t seen as an option.
“When I was in school I’d just sat my O Levels and the careers teacher told me he could get me a nice job answering phones. I said I wanted to go to uni and he basically said ‘Don’t be so silly, what do you want a degree for, it’ll be difficult and won’t help you because you’ll probably end up answering phones anyway.’”
As it turned out my first job was working for British Athletics and part of my job was in fact answering phones, and I really enjoyed it. But lots of people look at impairment and it starts off as inherently negative and if someone tells you that you can’t do something then it’s very easy to believe that. The beauty of the OU is that people come back when they feel they’re ready to but they also have the flexibility, which makes a real difference.”
So, if Dame Tanni could study an OU course, what would it be?
“Law, I always wanted to do law. I went to Loughborough University, which didn’t offer law so I did politics. It was something I was interested in and actually it’s been incredibly useful. I always thought there wasn’t politics in sport and then you get involved and realise there’s loads.”
Self belief
And what about trying a new sport, what she go for?
“Skiing, but I hate the cold and the wet and being out and going downhill doesn’t appeal to me. I like the concept of skiing and saying that I will ski one day, but I don’t think Ill ever actually go skiing.”
Dame Tanni is an inspiration in her own right, but who does she admire?
“I was at the Young Sport conference, to look at what you can do beyond sport to help people, and Desmond Tutu was there and he was just so cool. His charisma and his personality and the way he talked about Africa was just incredible, so I’m a huge fan of his.
“My mum, who has passed away now, was stroppy and stubborn but just an amazingly strong person to have around, she was really cool. We used to argue a lot but she brought me up to have a lot of self belief.
“And Gareth Edwards. I was brought up by mother to believe that he is the closest thing to perfection that will ever walk this earth and it was the way he played, he knew he was good but he wasn’t arrogant and you listen to some of his stories and he was a really cool bloke. I still get awe struck when ever I meet him.”
Born with spina bifida, Tanni Grey-Thompson is a wheelchair user, one of the UK’s most successful disabled athletes and three times BBC Wales Sports Personality of the Year. In 2004 she was awarded an honorary doctorate from The Open University. In an interview in 2010 she talks to Platform’s Robyn Slingsby about London 2012, the challenges of being a mother, ...
A report released Tuesday 8 March by the independent think-tank, Independent Academic Research Studies (IARS), has identified some key areas for improvement for restorative justice – the area which focuses on the needs of victims and offenders, and encourages dialogue between both parties.
‘Drawing together research, policy and practice for restorative justice’ is the result of a joint seminar held in partnership with the International Centre for Comparative Criminological Research (ICCCR) at The Open University and argues that there is a need for a thorough cost-benefit analysis in order for restorative justice to be seen as a more cost-effective approach to crime than imprisonment and penal punishment.
The report also argues that the academic and research agenda on restorative justice is too narrow and there is a tendency to focus on matters of immediate policy and practical relevance. This can result in the political and cultural issues of restorative justice being a secondary focus, it says.
Dr Theo Gavrielides, author of the report and Visiting Senior Research Fellow at ICCCR, said: "This is the first of a series of seminars that aim to encourage a dialogue and consensus amongst practitioners, researchers and policy makers in the restorative justice movement. There is clear evidence of a relationship breakdown and at this critical point in time for restorative justice bridges must be built if the practice is to be rolled out".
The seminar brought together practitioners, researchers and policy makers in restorative justice to discuss gaps that they experienced in their effort to work together. It was attended by 45 experts in the restorative justice field including representatives from the Home Office, Ministry of Justice, Youth Justice Board, academia and practice.
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A report released Tuesday 8 March by the independent think-tank, Independent Academic Research Studies (IARS), has identified some key areas for improvement for restorative justice – the area which focuses on the needs of victims and offenders, and encourages dialogue between both parties. ‘Drawing together research, policy and practice for restorative justice’ is the result ...
The Open University mooting team were victorious in their semi-final moot against Durham University - reaching the final for the second year running. The mooting team, all Open University Law Society students, are Philip Zack, Damian Wynne and Craig Breed, who defeated their opponents at the Law Society, Chancery Lane, London.
The final will be a repeat of last year’s, against Exeter University, and will take place in London on Wednesday 30 March.
The current advocates will proceed through to the final as the rules require that the team at this stage of the competition remains unchanged. In previous rounds Naomi Cross, Craig Breed and Gwyn Hopkins have also taken on the advocate role and their involvement in the process has been vital to the team's ongoing success.
Mooting is the oral presentation of a legal issue or problem against an opposing counsel and before a judge. It is perhaps the closest experience that a student can have whilst at university to appearing in court.
Any students interested in mooting should contact The Open University Law Society at ww.ouls.org
The Open University mooting team were victorious in their semi-final moot against Durham University - reaching the final for the second year running. The mooting team, all Open University Law Society students, are Philip Zack, Damian Wynne and Craig Breed, who defeated their opponents at the Law Society, Chancery Lane, London. The final will be a repeat of last year’s, ...
Sheffield Wednesday footballer Richard Hinds has achieved a first class honours degree in Law from the OU.
The League One defender has juggled his studies alongside the demands of full-time football and also while battling back to fitness after a badly broken left leg.
More recently Richard became a dad for the first time - and daughter Abigail’s arrival coincided exactly with him sitting his final OU exams!
Although often finding his days off and spare time eaten up by study commitments, he remains an advocate of the notion that it is better to prepare for a future away from football while you are still in it.
"Football’s really a very short career and it can end at any moment. It might be a bit of a cliche, but it really struck home when I broke my leg a couple of years ago," he says.
"At the time I’d already started my Law degree and to be honest it just cemented my view that you should retrain for the future while you’re still playing.
"If I’d had to finish playing at that time I’d have been two or three years off finishing the course and that would’ve been time wasted in terms of not being qualified, having no job and having no income coming in."
With the Professional Footballers' Association keen to encourage more current players to re-train for the future, the OU is becoming a popular route for many due to the flexibility of their programmes.
"The OU offers lads who are playing the opportunity to go out and get a degree while to a certain extent allowing you to work at your own pace," adds Richard.
"They were great with me, to be honest, and the level of support and quality of online support they’ve provided has been different class. It’s just a case of building on that good work now and looking at the next phase which will be a Legal Practice course."
Ever wondered which sporting stars have studied with the OU? Well...
Sheffield Wednesday footballer Richard Hinds has achieved a first class honours degree in Law from the OU. The League One defender has juggled his studies alongside the demands of full-time football and also while battling back to fitness after a badly broken left leg. More recently Richard became a dad for the first time - and daughter Abigail’s ...
Restorative justice – bringing offender and victim into communication – offers the promise of a fresh approach to crime. But its practice, policy and research base need improvement.
This is the conclusion of a new report arising from a seminar held by the Open University's International Centre for Comparative Criminological Research (ICCCR) in partnership with the independent think-tank, Independent Academic Research Studies (IARS).
The seminar brought together practitioners, researchers and policy makers in restorative justice to discuss gaps that they experienced in their effort to work together. It was attended by 45 experts in the restorative justice field including representatives from the Home Office, Ministry of Justice, Youth Justice Board, academia and practice.
Dr. Theo Gavrielides, author of the report, Director of IARS and Visiting Senior Research Fellow at ICCCR said: "This is the first of a series of seminars that aim to encourage a dialogue and consensus amongst practitioners, researchers and policy makers in the restorative justice movement. There is clear evidence of a relationship breakdown and at this critical point in time for restorative justice bridges must be built if the practice is to be rolled out".
‘Drawing together research, policy and practice for restorative justice’ was published today 9 March by IARS. See OU media story to download a copy.
Restorative justice – bringing offender and victim into communication – offers the promise of a fresh approach to crime. But its practice, policy and research base need improvement. This is the conclusion of a new report arising from a seminar held by the Open University's International Centre for Comparative Criminological Research (ICCCR) in partnership with the independent ...
Why? Dr Panagiota Alevizou is a researcher in the Open University's Institute of Educational Technology who is trying to find out.
She and other academic volunteers on the Wikimedia Foundation Research Committee are running a high-profile survey to uncover the barriers to scholarly participation – and they want to hear from as many OU folk as possible.
"We would like to hear from experts in their field, who do not contribute, what has deterred them from participation. But we'd also like to hear what motivates people who do participate, either randomly or actively, and gain an insight into the opportunities this offers.
"It is important we have a large volume of respondents to get a representative sample, so we're hoping as many as possible will take part. The online survey only takes about 15 minutes to complete."
She said the anonymity of Wikipedia may be an issue for some academics because they can't get credit for their postings. But it is precisely this anonymity is which motivates many people to participate.
Other possible deterrents could be technical difficulties interfacing with Wikipedia, and not being able to cite particular academic resources because they are not open or accessible to all.
Some academics continue to be sceptical about Wikipedia's credibility as a source of accurate information, she said. "A lot of people say they do not like Wikipedia, but it is a very popular site and it has masses of information, which can be vetted.
'It's like any other resource in that, if you're doing research, you don't just rely on one book or one encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is an entry point to research."
Take part in the Wikimedia survey here.
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The collaborative online encyclopedia Wikipedia is consulted by students, academics and other experts in their field. But many such readers are reluctant to contribute to it. Why? Dr Panagiota Alevizou is a researcher in the Open University's Institute of Educational Technology who is trying to find out. She and other academic volunteers on the Wikimedia Foundation ...
Oscar Wilde’s Mrs Cheveley noted that “Questions are never indiscreet. Answers sometimes are.” In law courts, there are many recorded instances of people giving unexpected replies to legal questions, says Gary Slapper, Professor of Law and Director of the Law School at The Open University...
1. In a Canadian case, a woman was testifying about getting hurt during a bout of social disorder.
Judge: Just a moment, were you actually kicked in the fracas?
Witness: No, Your Honour, I was kicked about halfway between the fracas and the belly button.
2. Witnesses sometimes move from being too talkative to being too obedient.
Counsel: You must not go off on a tangent when you answer my questions. From now on you must simply answer “yes or no”, just “yes or no” to everything I ask. Are you clear about that?
Witness: Yes or no.
3. In an American case brought under a 1910 law controlling prostitution and immorality, a woman from an exceptionally rough background was accused of crime. Her language was very coarse. In an effort to clean it up before the hearing, her lawyer, Mr Dawson, coached her in the proper terms for various sexual acts. Then, early in the case, she was questioned by the prosecution about the nature of the charge against her.
Prosecutor: Miss, do you know what intercourse is?
Defendant: I didn’t before I met Mr Dawson, but now I know very well what it is.
4. Having successfully defended a nice old man prosecuted for stealing money from the bank in which he worked, an American attorney asked his client to thank the jury that had just acquitted him. The client duly obliged.
Defendant: Thank you so much for your not-guilty verdict, ladies and gentlemen, and I truly promise I won’t ever do it again.
5. At the end of a long but unsuccessful cross-examination of a plaintiff, the advocate who had failed to shake his evidence concluded with an acerbic comment.
Counsel: Well, Mr Whitmore, you have contrived to manage your case very well.
Witness: Thank you, counsellor, perhaps I might return the compliment if I were not testifying under oath.
6. In an old case, a 17-year-old was charged with having unlawful sexual intercourse with a 15-year-old girl in a field. A farmer who had seen the event from a distance supported the prosecution’s case. The farmer was cross-examined by the young man’s counsel in an effort to suggest that what he had seen was innocent canoodling.
Counsel: When you were young did you never take a girl for a walk in the evening?
Farmer: Aye, I did that.
Counsel: And did you never sit and cuddle her on the grass in a field?
Farmer: Aye, I did do that.
Counsel: And did you never lean over and kiss her while she was lying back?
Farmer: Aye, I did that.
Counsel: Well then, anyone in a nearby field seeing that might have easily thought you were having sexual intercourse with her?
Farmer: Aye, and they’d have been right too.
7. Defendant I want the court to appoint me another lawyer.
Judge: And why is that?
Defendant: Because the public defender isn’t interested in my case.
Judge [to public defender]: Counsel, do you have any comment on the motion?
Counsel [long pause]: Oh, I’m sorry, Your Honour, I wasn’t listening.
8. Counsel: Are you married?
Witness: No, I’m divorced.
Counsel: And what did your husband do before you divorced him?
Witness: A lot of things I didn’t know about.
9. Traffic accident cases have produced their share of unexpected replies.
Counsel: Thank you Miss Robinson, so you were travelling at 29 mph, and would you please tell the court what gear you were in at the time of the collision?
Witness: Yes, I was in Armani jeans with a Gucci T-shirt and a Prada jacket.
10. Finally, it is worth noting that not only witnesses give unexpected replies. In an indecency case, a woman giving evidence was asked what the man in the dock had said to her. She was too embarrassed to repeat it out loud, so the judge asked her to write down. She duly wrote “would you care for a screw?” on a piece of paper and the note was passed around the jury until it reached juror No 12 – a middle-aged man who was dozing.
Sitting next to him was a young lady. She read the note, nudged her neighbour and handed it to him. He woke with a start, read the note and, with apparent satisfaction, folded it and put it away in his wallet. When the judge leant forward and said: “Let that note be handed up to me” the juryman shook his head and said: “No need, my lord, it is purely a private matter”.
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Oscar Wilde’s Mrs Cheveley noted that “Questions are never indiscreet. Answers sometimes are.” In law courts, there are many recorded instances of people giving unexpected replies to legal questions, says Gary Slapper, Professor of Law and Director of the Law School at The Open University... 1. In a Canadian case, a woman was testifying about getting hurt during a bout of ...
Throughout 2011, BBC Four and The Open University will explore the meaning of justice in the modern world in a series of new films and online features. To complement the season, OpenLearn has launched two brand new interactives, To Lie or Not to Lie and What’s Your Verdict?
To Lie or Not to Lie is a game which makes you think about your moral responses to different lies and allows you to figure out which philosopher you’re most like. It was developed with Timothy Chappell as academic consultant, Professor of Philosophy and director of The Open University Ethics Centre.
What’s Your Verdict gives you the chance to follow a fictional case and see if you can make judgements based on the facts as they’re presented to you. You can also play the role of Judge and decide on which sentence to give if found ‘Guilty’. This interactive was developed with Peter Ward as academic consultant and Regional Manager for the Law Program in the West Midlands.
Throughout 2011, BBC Four and The Open University will explore the meaning of justice in the modern world in a series of new films and online features. To complement the season, OpenLearn has launched two brand new interactives, To Lie or Not to Lie and What’s Your Verdict? To Lie or Not to Lie is a game which makes you think about your moral responses to different ...
The OU’s Professor of Law Gary Slapper looks at how government budget cuts are hitting the country’s justice system...
You know the legal system is in a parlous state when a judge in a trial for ‘causing racially aggravated fear or provocation of violence’ tells the court we don’t have the luxury of trying such cases because "This country is next to broke”.
That was last year, and since then things have deteriorated. Recent governmental plans will see the Ministry of Justice’s budget cut by 23 per cent. The staffing of courts is already desperately inadequate but 14,250 of these frantically demanding jobs will go leaving the residual workforce to toil in a hopeless Sisyphean challenge.
Three years’ ago Judge Paul Collins, London’s most senior county court judge, said that low pay and high turnover among staff meant that serious errors were commonplace and routinely led to incorrect judgments in court. He said that with further cuts looming “we run the risk of bringing about a real collapse in the service we’re able to give to the people using the courts”.
The law is everybody’s law but historic and prospective legal aid cuts have now decitizenised huge swathes of the population.
Painful cuts
Can the Government's cuts be fair? There are 60 million people in the UK and most didn’t do anything wrong in places like Lehman Brothers to cause the near collapse of western capitalism. So, according to one principle, it isn’t fair that the majority will now have to suffer painful cuts in their standard of living and reduced access to legal justice.
Unfairness can be a visceral and hard-wired feeling. Long before they hear or read anything about theories of justice, young children can say “it’s not fair” if they are the victims of inequity.
Defining what is ‘fair’, though, in a serious and rational way is as impossible as defining what is the best political party or the best music. Different people have different ideas about what is fair.
So, saying that the cuts to the justice system are unfair begs the question ‘according to what definition of fairness?’ The debate then fragments into a hundred shards of opinion. What can be shown, however, is that if the cuts are implemented, they will prevent the proper functioning of the legal system.
Suicide club
It is only after a society secures law and due process that it can move on to debate what is economically fair. In the phrase of the pre-eminent 20th-century jurist Herbert Hart, we should be primarily concerned with “social arrangements for continued existence, not with those of a suicide club”.
Law is the foundation of civilised society. The legal system has greater first-order importance than education and health in one key respect: unless you have guaranteed order and peaceful ways of settling disputes and punishing rule-breakers, there is little point in investing in classrooms and hospital wards.
The severity of the situation should not be underestimated. If today’s legal system were a car, it would not pass its MOT.
The Chancellor George Osborne has said that in adjusting to the world of new hardships, the heavy burdens should fall on the broadest shoulders. If he is serious about that he should consider making the multi-billion pound businesses worldwide which use the English courts as their favoured litigation forum pay much more than they do for that privilege.
Poets and philosophers might show how it is unfair that the financial acts of a reckless few have impoverished the lives of the blameless many. More urgent is the stark truth that without clemency, the axe set to fall on justice will break the legal system.
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The OU’s Professor of Law Gary Slapper looks at how government budget cuts are hitting the country’s justice system... You know the legal system is in a parlous state when a judge in a trial for ‘causing racially aggravated fear or provocation of violence’ tells the court we don’t have the luxury of trying such cases because "This country ...
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