{"id":1065,"date":"2012-11-16T18:09:26","date_gmt":"2012-11-16T18:09:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/?p=1065"},"modified":"2013-01-05T08:59:05","modified_gmt":"2013-01-05T08:59:05","slug":"good","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/?p=1065","title":{"rendered":"Good"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The other thing that was discussed at yesterday&#8217;s &#8216;Analysing feedback&#8217; session at the JISC online conference \u2018Innovating e-Learning: shaping the future\u2019 was the role of praise in feedback.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>At the OU, we are very aware that students are receiving their marked work back in their own homes (I used to use a mental model of a student getting a marked tutor-marked assignment as they were eating their cornflakes &#8211; now it is usually an electronic process). In a distance learning organisation, you can&#8217;t assume that you will have an opportunity to soften bad news with a face to face conversation. We also have some students who haven&#8217;t studied for a long time and who lack confidence.<\/p>\n<p>So the mantra is that our feedback should be positive, as in nice.\u00a0People like me, who train our tutors in the art of &#8216;correspondence tuition&#8217; (marking and feedback) emphasise the importance of this, and notwithstanding what I am about to say, I don&#8217;t think there is any place for rhetoric or sarcasm in our commenting. However I think we perhaps sometimes overdo the praise. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/IMG_1365.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1075\" title=\"IMG_1365\" src=\"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/IMG_1365-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a>If you&#8217;re trying to make a &#8216;feedback sandwich&#8217; on the cover sheet (something nice, then the meat of the summary comments, then an encouraging end) you end up tied in knots. A score of (say) 60% isn&#8217;t really that good. And what about 40%, or 20%? So if you are trying to find something positive to say, you either have to make a comment that isn&#8217;t backed up by the grade you award, or you end up skirting around the issue and looking for excuses.\u00a0I have (several times) had to intervene when a tutor has said that the work is probably only not better because the student was rushed, only to have the student contact me in a huff because he or she had spent hours and hours on it.<\/p>\n<p>The other behaviour that tutors can easily slip into is just saying &#8216;good&#8217;. I think it is really important to say what is good, and why (as well as what is not so good, and why). I&#8217;ve read somewhere that giving praise which is insufficiently specific can have a demotivational effect because (assuming I am the student now) if I am told that I am a &#8216;good girl&#8217;, I accept that praise as being about me as a person &#8211; then when I make a mess of the next assignment,\u00a0I&#8217;m left feeling that I (not the work) is hopeless. \u00a0So the positive comments should be about something I&#8217;ve done, not about me!<\/p>\n<p>Gywneth Hughes, in discussion on the conference forum, has suggested that perhaps it is the second layer of bread in\u00a0the &#8216;sandwich&#8217; approach that&#8217;s the problem. It&#8217;s good to start with the positive, but just making banal comments at the end might deflect from the impact of the real feedback. That&#8217;s a very interesting idea. Anyone for an open sandwich?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The other thing that was discussed at yesterday&#8217;s &#8216;Analysing feedback&#8217; session at the JISC online conference \u2018Innovating e-Learning: shaping the future\u2019 was the role of praise in feedback.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[133,5,63,79],"tags":[376,345,235,353,358],"class_list":["post-1065","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-conferences","category-feedback","category-jisc","category-praise","tag-conferences","tag-feedback","tag-gwyneth-hughes","tag-jisc","tag-praise"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1065","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1065"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1065\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1285,"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1065\/revisions\/1285"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1065"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1065"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.open.ac.uk\/blogs\/SallyJordan\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1065"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}