1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Macbeth: How now, you secret, black and midnight hags, 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,000 I conjure you by that which you profess, however you come to know it - answer me. 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Though you untie the winds and let them fight against the churches; 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,000 though the yeasty waves confound and swallow navigation up; 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 through bladed corn by lodg'd and trees blown down, 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 though castles topple on their warders heads; 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:41,000 though palaces and pyramids do slope their heads to their foundations; 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:48,000 though the treasure of nature's germens tumble all together, 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,000 even till destruction sicken - answer me! 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Stephen Regan: What do you find particularly impressive about the Orson Welles' Macbeth? 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Kiernan Ryan: Well certainly the black and white manages to make you feel as though... 12 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 you're imprisoned in some almost hallucinatory internal universe. 13 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 I mean there were strange cavernous underground corridors or rooms, 14 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 it's a kind of interior landscape , a 'paysage intérieur' as the French call it, 15 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,000 so as if you're almost moving around inside the subconscious of a character himself… 16 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 ..when he sinks to the lowest depths of despair, in particular, 17 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,000 so I think that there is something hallucinatory and dreamlike about Shakespeare anyway, 18 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 and I think the use of black and white, of monochrome really can evoke that… 19 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 ..in a way that technicolour often doesn't manage to because of its association… 20 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,000 ..with a more naturalistic reproduction, photographic, kind of realism. 21 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 The use of shadow and silhouette is very effective in the Welles, 22 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 (Stephen Regan) particularly when those shadows coincide with… 23 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,000 ..moments in Macbeth's speeches, references to light and darkness. 24 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Sue Wiseman: But in a certain way they're extraordinarily powerful even though... 25 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 they're moralised in almost the same way as you find in a Western, 26 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,000 and they were working on a Western set, in that very early… 27 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,000 ..the beginning of the light and shade is when he's sitting talking to Banquo... 28 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,000 (Sue Wiseman) ..they're having their conference, he's at the front of the stage… 29 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,000 (Sue Wiseman) ..as it were, or the camera, and yet he's dark, whereas Banquo is light, 30 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000 (Sue Wiseman) and at the back, and the relationship between the black and white… 31 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 (Sue Wiseman) ..as it were, all the way through, works in tension, 32 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,000 (Sue Wiseman) ..but does work always so the lighter is the morally good quality and… 33 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 (Sue Wiseman) ..and it seemed extraordinary to get a richness out of that… 34 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 (Sue Wiseman) ..while working with a very simple as it were black and white morality. 35 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 (Sue Wiseman) It seems amazing.